Awareness and Support

Retrieved 18th June 2009.
To be read in reverse chronological order.
  1.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll gnite Chris, thanks for the conversation.
  2. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa I'm going to bed now... I can't be sucked into this any longer (tonight anyway)
  3. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa Problem is there are such things as unintended *negative* effects, and I think we have to make our own decisions as to when it's so
  4. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa Thinking things through with the help of people smarter than me is part of my process. Thanks for indulging me!
  5.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll A former HS student on FB told me how I had changed his life 1 day at school. He described this moment that I had long forgotten.
  6. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa But does it matter if the teacher did or not? I think it does.
  7. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa I'm not arguing for measurement, just find contradiction in maintaining effect doesn't matter and actions and hopes to inspire.
  8. Rob Wall
    Rob Wall
    robwall@shareski Good to know that sense of community can be evoked in such a short time. Maybe three weeks might be possible for same?
  9.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll I wouldn't get into this with you if I didn't value your capacity to critique & question at such a high degree. Important pushback.
  10. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncllSpeaking of Iran and protest... roll out the poets!http://u.nu/9pxc
  11.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll But I don't think u can in many cases measure the direct effect of inspiration.Did a teacher inspire thought, work, or the lightbulb?
  12. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa I envy your faith. And I don't mean that sarcastically.
  13.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll In short,I understand ur concerns.Have thought about the same at length,4 me,I've decided it's beneficial in ways we cannot measure.
  14. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa on this we agree: "live good & honestly, be kind, & try to inspire it in others" Inspiring someone is a cause and effect activity.
  15.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll But I don't know if there is an intent other than awareness, which is powerful. Nothing to lose. I'd argue it's better than no action
  16. Dean Shareski
    Dean Shareski
    shareski@fncll and @budtheteacher "you don't haf to wear de ribbon"
  17. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa If I hadn't seen this kind of thing work exactly the opposite of how its intended I wouldn't worry
  18. Bud Hunt
    Bud Hunt
    budtheteacher@fncll: I'm with you there.
  19. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@budtheteacher sadly I've observed other kinds of manufactured solidarity having opposite effects. Not sure why Twitter would be different
  20.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll For me, live good & honestly, be kind, & try to inspire it in others - no way we can track the causal effect, but it will influence.
  21. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@budtheteacher I just hope enough people actually take some action to balance out those for whom going green is enough, if not off-putting.
  22.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@budtheteacher To me, if the green is just me shouting "I support fair elections & democratic societies", that's good enough for me.
  23. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa I'm not saying you have to, I'm saying you're guessing, and that's OK, but actions with effects are a good thing.
  24. Bud Hunt
    Bud Hunt
    budtheteacher@courosa Good points both - and yet.
  25. Wesley Fryer
    Wesley Fryer
    wfryer@shareski I'm reminded of the Quechup spam scam from a few years ago... how should we research the site to find if it's legit and safe?
  26.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll @budtheteacher Green avatars prompted this discussion, ppl listen, and perhaps even act. One cannot know one's influence.
  27. Vicki Davis
    Vicki Davis
    coolcatteacher#helpiranelection - show support for democracy in Iran add green overlay to your Twitter avatar with 1-click - http://helpiranelection.com/
  28.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll re: Occam ... yes, he'd disagree. But he was a classic skeptic. I'm a realist.
  29. Bud Hunt
    Bud Hunt
    budtheteacher@fncll: I share your skepticism/concern.
  30.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll Why do you have to show causal effect? If teachers relied only on causal effect, we'd lose what is most important to education.
  31. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncllOn the other hand, avatar protests can't be less effective than petitions, organized form letters and phone trees to representatives.
  32. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa pretty hard to show that causal effect was due to the avatar rather than in valuable information in the tweet, no?
  33. Jabiz Raisdana
    Jabiz Raisdana
    intrepidteacher@shareski What the? You caved! Herd behavior is hard to ignore in the face of freedom!
  34.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll If the green av. leads to a link say to how to create a proxy for an Iranian. Then, someone is able to leak a story because of that.
  35. Dean Shareski
    Dean Shareski
    shareski@wfryer I have no plans to judge folks. As you can see, I've clicked the link. Not sure if it was peer pressure or the simplicity of it.
  36.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll Certainly, FB is loaded with these, and there is a good chance that some people who click feel they have actually done something.
  37. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa But it could just as easily be that effect isn't easily measured because it isn't there, no? Occam would say that's more likely...
  38.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll that's a classic question, certainly more important now as we see growing number of "click to make a difference" social tools.
  39.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll Perceived silence. Subtle influence is not easily measured as it may only lead to subtle action. But then multiply ...
  40. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa I wonder, though, if it might not have opposite effect, making an easy substitute (for some) in place of more substantive action
  41. Wesley Fryer
    Wesley Fryer
    wfryer@shareski I turned my Twitter icon green to support #helpiranelection but I didn't do it via the link - is my wariness unjustified?
  42. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncll@courosa I hope so, but then I remember black, gray and red avatars (and others) in the past leading to silence. Can't hurt I guess!
  43.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll It doesn't replace action. However, greater awareness leads to the possibility of action; show of support good for morale.
  44.  Alec Couros
    Alec Couros
    courosa@fncll Possibly ineffectual, but could promote important dialogue re: freedom/power/control. Unintended effects can be powerful.
  45. Chris Lott
    Chris Lott
    fncllI get the green avatar, but that kind of expression of solidarity feels ineffectual. Does it do more than make us feel good about ourselves?
  46. Dean Shareski
    Dean Shareski
    shareski#helpiranelection - show support for democracy in Iran add green overlay to your Twitter avatar with 1-click -http://helpiranelection.com/
  47. Rodd Lucier
    Rodd Lucier
    thecleversheep@rdelorenzo Why green? Surely you haven't missed #iranelection...
  48. Rob De Lorenzo
    Rob De Lorenzo
    rdelorenzoGreen tint = Iran democracy support. Got it. Thanks